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Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw
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Rick
Reg. Jul 2007
Posted 2006-03-08 7:01 PM (#825)
Subject: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





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I am in the truck market and can't seem to decide what to go with duals or single rear wheels. I pull a 26ft box Full lq 3h trailer. I definately want a 1 ton truck but really trying to figure why I need duals.

Now I know all the comments about extra tires incase of a blow out but other than that my questions is will a 1 ton dually pull my trailer better than a 1 ton srw?? I know the side to side arguement also, believe me I now pull with a 3/4 ton f-250 4x4 psd. I have never driven a dually before, is there that much of a difference?? I know going to a newer truck than my 97, the ride will improve greatly just because of the chasis changes since 97.

If you have some definate reason I need a dually let me hear it. Also I think I will go with 4x2 since I really will only be towing with this truck and 4 4x4's in one family is a little bit rediculious.



Edited by rick 2006-03-08 7:16 PM
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rotag
Reg. Oct 2004
Posted 2006-03-08 7:24 PM (#826 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 171

Location: Liberty Hill Texas

have used both.

DRW more stable with less side roll seems like it is a little better in hig wind.MOre GVW

Downside

More tires have to be carful of rocks between duals I definatly had more flats on construction sites.

SRW Narrower I currently drive one but I spend a lot of time off the road in the woods. I also have to park it in town at work.

Down side more roll

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rose
Reg. Dec 2003
Posted 2006-03-08 8:47 PM (#827 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw






Posts: 518

The dually is definitely more stable.
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xyzer
Reg. Apr 2004
Posted 2006-03-08 8:57 PM (#828 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 363

Location: Albany, Oregon
I just went throught the same thought process...It boiled down to when it isn't hooked to a trailer 50% of the time it is my work rig....DRW are a pain when not hooked to a trailer....wide...not the best in snow...other issues that have been mentioned also the SRW tow rating is actually rated higher than an equally outfited DRW you would be tossing off the 4X4 that kicks the tow rating up a notch.....The ol two tires on the rear if you have a blowout reason is valid...but I can tell you the front are the ones to really want to worry about and they both have singles there......after blabing my reasons for getting a 1ton SRW if I was to tow much more and had some extra money for a work rig....oh or maybe retired! I would own a DRW with a 6 speed just for towing just cuz!...It sounds like you have been getting by with a 3/4ton SRW already how well did it handle its jobs?...Good luck!
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-08 9:07 PM (#829 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





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The duallie isn't THAT much wider, somewhere else in this forum I think I've posted the overall widths of the big 3, the chev/gm is the narrowest of them. I don't DO drivethroughs, so for me it isn't an issue.

I have a change over adjustment between pulling with a duallie vs a Durango, I have to remind myself that the trailer is wider than the Durango and I need more width for it than just what the tow vehicle takes.

One point that hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet is the difference in traction across fields (meadows, wherever you have to park). DRW tends to "float across" the soft spots vs the sense that I get with SRW that it is closer to cutting ruts and I just hope I get through before I go down.

You wear out more tires with DRW, although certainly not 6 to 4, maybe a little under 5 to 4. There is also the issue of rotation patterns if you're a DIY'er. Without going into details here, you need 3 corners off the ground at once for most of the rotation patterns - not easy for most amateurs on the driveway.

Tolls in most places cost a bit more, I seem to pay the rate of a car with a single axle trailer when the truck is unhooked, though I think I've been hit for medium duty rates a couple of times.

If you go 2WD you lose the low range, which I really LIKE to have for creeping through - again the wet fields question, if you don't do that then you probably wouldn't care.

Yes, I wouldn't buy another SRW and/or 2WD truck, probably not another gas engine either, but you didn't ask about that (-:
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ozziej
Reg. Feb 2005
Posted 2006-03-08 9:32 PM (#830 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 2

Location: Lufkin TX

I have owned a couple drw 1 tons.  Everyone

talks about how wide they are.  Yes in the rear they are wider than a srw however, your mirrors are they widest part of your vehicle.  the fenders on any dually are inside of the mirrors.  So we all have mirrors and if your mirrors are gonna make it through something then your fenders will. 
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Painted Horse
Reg. May 2005
Posted 2006-03-08 9:43 PM (#831 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 493

Location: Utah

I'm weighing the same options for my next truck, Although I think I'll wait for the 08's to show up next winter. I'm definitely no expert, just gathering opinions myself.

Duallys usually come with a lower axle ration.  4.11 or higher vs 3.83 for SRW  This gives you a little better pulling power, but cuts into your fuel mpg. The new trucks have way more power than your 97 model, so you may feel like you have power to spare and don't care about the ratios.

More rolling resistance with 6 tires vs 4  less fuel mpg  But 6 tires also gives you better braking.

Usually a little stiffer supension for the added Payload, hence a little rougher ride.

Duallys don't cost that much more than the SRW to purchase, but it's usually harder to sell them. At least around here. So the resale may not be as good as a SRW

 

 

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J D
Reg. Feb 2006
Posted 2006-03-08 10:37 PM (#832 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





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I am on my second dually and will not pull with srw but if I had to drive it to work every day or thru the bank every day I wouldn't own it, if you go dually I wouldn't own another unless it has 4-wheel drive. If my girlfriend drove it every day to town I wouldn't have one the last fender I replace was in 1997 on my old GMC dually it cost $425.00 people will drive off after they tear it off I know.
The dually in mud or snow doesn't put enough weight per square inch to go it will float but don't piss in front of the tires or you may get stuck.
Even with my little bumper hitch on my 4x4 srw the tires roll in curves and I do feel the mules moving even in a slant but on the dually I never feel the mules.
I have 200,000 on my dually and it is on the third set of tires, I get better tire wear on it than my srw.But my dually doesn't get off road all it has to do is pull trailers, my srw 4x4 does the rough stuff. When I have new tires put on it goes on a four wheel alignment.
It is nice to own both.
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RollinPonies
Reg. Nov 2004
Posted 2006-03-08 10:43 PM (#833 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: JD





Posts: 134

Location: Texas
I understand exactly.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-09 5:49 AM (#834 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 606

Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
All the above concerns and bonuses(sp), Plus one thing to consider. I drive a 4 door Dodge Dually everyday 35,000 miles a year. It's Black and it's pretty when it's clean, There in lies the problem, it don't fit in any automatic car wash. So I am out in sometimes below freezing weather washing my truck. May sound like a simple thing, but if your like me and want to drive around in a good lookin' truck you need to be able to wash it. It gets cold in the winter time in Iowa. Would I buy another one? You bet, this one makes my 5th crew cab dually in a row. Just blow your horns when you drive by on those cold days and I'm washing my (*&^&^ truck : )
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lone ranger
Reg. Dec 2004
Posted 2006-03-09 6:51 AM (#835 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw






Posts: 31

Location: MN
We pulled with an F350 srw for years. Upgraded last summer to an '05 drw, and would never go back. You really notice the difference if you drive winding roads - no more rock or sway in the trailer at all.
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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 7:09 AM (#836 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 1681

Location: PA
If I pulled your trailer, I would use a dually. If you didn't have all of that LQ weight, you could get by with a SRW.
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 7:14 AM (#837 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 1563

Location: North Carolina

Just a point that gripes me... There isn't any such thing as an ordinary single rear wheel, (SRW ) one ton p/u truck.   The F-350 SRW is a wanna-be  

Just compare the GVWR's of the trucks.  Notice too, that the duallys all have roof clearance lights from the factory.  It's a Fed DOT requirement in that weight class.

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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-09 8:13 AM (#838 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 606

Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
Originally written by hosspuller on 2006-03-09 7:14 AM

Just a point that gripes me... There isn't any such thing as an ordinary single rear wheel, (SRW ) one ton p/u truck.   The F-350 SRW is a wanna-be  

Just compare the GVWR's of the trucks.  Notice too, that the duallys all have roof clearance lights from the factory.  It's a Fed DOT requirement in that weight class.

 

Well here we go, you are looking inside the door, might want to look under the truck, F-350 single or dual 99 and up, F-250 99 up all have the SAME running gear under them, different springs, same axles that take the same bearings that have the same ring sizes. Don't look now but so does Dodge, and GM. As far the GVW it's increased on DWR because of  the tires not the heavier truck. I drive a dually I recommend a dually for LQ trailers, but it is most likely a myth that they are needed. Now Reg is going to come on here and give us the numbers to support what I have said.

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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 8:55 AM (#839 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





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Originally written by HWBar on 2006-03-09 9:13 AM

Originally written by hosspuller on 2006-03-09 7:14 AM

Just a point that gripes me... There isn't any such thing as an ordinary single rear wheel, (SRW ) one ton p/u truck. The F-350 SRW is a wanna-be

Just compare the GVWR's of the trucks. Notice too, that the duallys all have roof clearance lights from the factory. It's a Fed DOT requirement in that weight class.

Well here we go, you are looking inside the door, might want to look under the truck, F-350 single or dual 99 and up, F-250 99 up all have the SAME running gear under them, different springs, same axles that take the same bearings that have the same ring sizes. Don't look now but so does Dodge, and GM. As far the GVW it's increased on DWR because of the tires not the heavier truck. I drive a dually I recommend a dually for LQ trailers, but it is most likely a myth that they are needed. Now Reg is going to come on here and give us the numbers to support what I have said.



No numbers today, but I will just say that the Chev/GM is available as a 1 ton DRW with (I forget exactly) about a 3.8_something LOCKING rear end.
I'm no longer hung up on rear end ratios, suffice to say that I can cruise fast enough (for me) in 5th at low enough revs when loaded - for where I go.
With overdrive transmissions the rear ratio is no longer a measure of anything very much, overdrive ratio and tire rolling circumference are other factors that affect overall gearing. MPH/1,000 RPM is a more significant FINAL measure.
Also, when adding the air springs recently I found that the Chassis/Cab version (again, GM) got me a beefier axle and underguts. "Regular" 3500 DRW parts don't fit my truck. I think the correct designation for what I have is a 3601 and I'm VERY HAPPY with it.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-09 9:18 AM (#840 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 606

Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
Reg is onto something I hastily forgot about, you will get a different setup under a cab and chassis truck, easy for me to forget about them because I being a Dodge Boy don't have that option available to me until 08 says Mr. Truck. Also have been looking at Hauler beds for mine, and found out that cab to axle measurement is different on my little Dodge than you Ford/Gm guys. Almost made a $2,500 mistake on E-Bay.
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HaulinHorses
Reg. Jul 2004
Posted 2006-03-09 9:28 AM (#841 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw






Posts: 47

Location: Shawnee, Oklahoma

Both my husband and I drive a 1 ton Dodge diesel dually.  Here's our scientific reasoning:  Big Boys like Big Toys and Bad A$$ girls like Bad A$$ trucks.  Also, it's nice being one of the bigger ones on the road.  The guys make fun of my husband at the coffee shop because his truck is red (and always clean) with all the newer Big Tex accessories (you get the picture), and he's modified the exhaust, put a chip in it, and I don't know what else (he's a mechanic).....all designed to look and feel BAD!!!!  I just have the necessesities, but he's Mr. Gadget! Sometimes you have to throw being practical out the window and go for the gusto!  

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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 10:15 AM (#842 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 1563

Location: North Carolina
Originally written by HWBar on 2006-03-09 7:13 AM

Originally written by hosspuller on 2006-03-09 7:14 AM

Just a point that gripes me... There isn't any such thing as an ordinary single rear wheel, (SRW ) one ton p/u truck.   The F-350 SRW is a wanna-be  

Just compare the GVWR's of the trucks.  Notice too, that the duallys all have roof clearance lights from the factory.  It's a Fed DOT requirement in that weight class.

 

Well here we go, you are looking inside the door, might want to look under the truck, F-350 single or dual 99 and up, F-250 99 up all have the SAME running gear under them, different springs, same axles that take the same bearings that have the same ring sizes. Don't look now but so does Dodge, and GM. As far the GVW it's increased on DWR because of  the tires not the heavier truck. I drive a dually I recommend a dually for LQ trailers, but it is most likely a myth that they are needed. Now Reg is going to come on here and give us the numbers to support what I have said.

HWBar ...  The point is the whole chain of links that make up a 11,000 pound GVWR.  The SRW truck has a weak link that keeps it below a true one ton dually.  Yes....It's the tires or lack of them.

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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 10:24 AM (#843 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 2621

Originally written by HWBar on 2006-03-09 10:18 AM

Reg is onto something I hastily forgot about, you will get a different setup under a cab and chassis truck, easy for me to forget about them because I being a Dodge Boy don't have that option available to me until 08 says Mr. Truck. Also have been looking at Hauler beds for mine, and found out that cab to axle measurement is different on my little Dodge than you Ford/Gm guys. Almost made a $2,500 mistake on E-Bay.


The cab to axle measurement is typically 2 inches longer on the chassis/cab than on the regular truck with a tin box. Don't confuse chassis/cab with box delete, the difference could be clearance vs a 2 inch interference between the truck's cab and the trailer's front corner.

I might go the hauler route next time, I've been browsing the C4500 and 5500 again - I guess they're K series when 4WD. Anyhow, this '03 is proving kinda tough to wear out.

I just realised, you're talking about an add-on hauler body for a truck you already have. I have a flatbed and for a 1 ton I'd do that again.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-09 11:05 AM (#844 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 606

Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey

Hosspuller I quess I don't understand your definition of "One Ton Dually" an F-350 is a one ton truck whether is has single or duals 11,000 gvw can be obtained with a different ply tire on the rear i.e. Super Single Semi's are still allowed to tow 80K. I would say the MFG don't want to sacrifice ride for 10 ply's. Or the cost is the offset.

Reg on the bed issue mine is a pick-up and 57" cab to center rear axle, Ford and GM pick-up's are 55" was 1 bid shy of buying hauler bed 2 weeks ago that came off of a Ford pick-up, I'm glad now that someone wanted it just a hair more than I did. Found this out after the auction when talking with Aluma-Line about a new bed.

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deranger
Reg. Jan 2004
Posted 2006-03-09 4:19 PM (#845 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 802

Location: Hagerstown, MD
This post will probably open up another can of worms with hosspuller and Reg, but I just can't resist. My wife and I own a 2001 F350 SRW PSD 6spd truck. I know that it is really a F250 with "magic spring dust" sprinkled on the rear axle. The only difference between a F250 and a F350 SRW is the spring block on the rear axle. Same trucks, same suspension and same tires, just different emblems.  We pull a steel LQ 3h slant trailer a lot! I make sure that tires are in good condition with proper inflation. I don't get sway, I don't get blown around in the wind and 18 wheelers on a two lane road don't bother me. I can park in any parking lot, my wife can drive it anywhere she wants to go, even to the grocery store! We can buy anything we want and we don't feel the need for buying a dualie to pull our horse trailer.  Right now, we are probably at a comfortable GCVW, albeit the upper limits of our truck, but I really like the way our truck pulls our trailer. Happy trails.
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HWBar
Reg. Nov 2005
Posted 2006-03-09 5:00 PM (#846 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 606

Location: Home of Wild Turkey Whiskey
Deranger you are dead on, there is no difference in the rear ends of F-250 and F-350 SRW trucks, and an F-250 and F-350 takes the same ring and pinion gears, SWR or DWR, so absent a little magic dust and a spring block your F-250 and F-350's are the same truck. If you really want to upgrade there is always DODGE .
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Reg
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 6:37 PM (#847 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





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Originally written by deranger on 2006-03-09 5:19 PM

This post will probably open up another can of worms with hosspuller and Reg, but I just can't resist. My wife and I own a 2001 F350 SRW PSD 6spd truck. I know that it is really a F250 with "magic spring dust" sprinkled on the rear axle. The only difference between a F250 and a F350 SRW is the spring block on the rear axle. Same trucks, same suspension and same tires, just different emblems. We pull a steel LQ 3h slant trailer a lot! I make sure that tires are in good condition with proper inflation. I don't get sway, I don't get blown around in the wind and 18 wheelers on a two lane road don't bother me. I can park in any parking lot, my wife can drive it anywhere she wants to go, even to the grocery store! We can buy anything we want and we don't feel the need for buying a dualie to pull our horse trailer. Right now, we are probably at a comfortable GCVW, albeit the upper limits of our truck, but I really like the way our truck pulls our trailer. Happy trails.



No worm can here.
You gotta Ford, you like your Ford.
Ford do their emblem engineering a little differently to GM or Dodge_Chryco-Daimler_Global_International whatever their owner's name is this week.
Whatever axle is there and however the manufacturer mixes and matches their parts to make different models (or don't) SRW still doesn't have the stability of DRW.
DRW trucks CAN BE and ARE driven by members of all 3 genders, it isn't about masculine, feminine or other.


Edited by Reg 2006-03-09 6:44 PM
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hosspuller
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 6:37 PM (#848 - in reply to #825)
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Posts: 1563

Location: North Carolina

Originally written by HWBar on 2006-03-09 4:00 PM

Deranger you are dead on, there is no difference in the rear ends of F-250 and F-350 SRW trucks, and an F-250 and F-350 takes the same ring and pinion gears, SWR or DWR, so absent a little magic dust and a spring block your F-250 and F-350's are the same truck. If you really want to upgrade there is always DODGE .

HWBar... you said:   "F-250 and F-350's are the same truck"  My point exactly... A SRW F-350 is a 3/4 ton truck.  Dual rear wheels or a 10 ply super single tires are needed to be a true one ton truck.

You are saying the same thing as I.  Just from the opposite side of the one ton GVWR (11,000 lbs).

AS a point of reference, the 450 series trucks have the 19.5 inch wheels & tires... not the 16 inch of the 350's

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hav2ride
Reg. Oct 2003
Posted 2006-03-09 7:07 PM (#849 - in reply to #825)
Subject: RE: Ok 1 tonners!! Your truck not you or your horse. srw vs drw





Posts: 1681

Location: PA
Deranger, how big is the LQ and what is in it? Smaller LQs are not as much of a problem but I quarantee that you'd have trouble with SRW with my 12' LQ, 3' mid tack, 3H. The real issue here is how much the trailer weighs.
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